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Post  Lou Lou Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:16 pm

Well, it looks like Obama has won. I knew that this would probably be the outcome but I must say I'm very disappointed.

I'm sure I'll get over it but I will probably be a little pouty for a few days......

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Post  BethG Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:19 pm

LOL! I guess Indiana didn't make a difference in the election after all! STILL too close to call.....but Obama has all the electoral votes he needs.
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Post  mscherry42 Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:36 am

I will say, without too much enthusiasm as a courtesy, that I'm ECSTATIC!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:
Now, I'll just have to see how it plays out once he's actually in there. McCain gave a great concession speech, though. Whether he was sincere or not, who cares, he was convincing, and great. Like I said before, he wasn't a bad guy, just didn't seem like someone with my best interest in consideration.
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Post  BethG Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:17 am

Yes, McCain gave a gracious concession speech. He was a worthy opponent and if President Bush's approval ratings weren't so low, I believe the race would have been even closer.

Doesn't matter now but I was still very interested in seeing which way Indiana went. Ultimately a 50%/49% split going Obama's way. First time the state has been Democratic since 1964!

Angel and 24P, I see North Carolina still has not declared a winner because it's a dead heat! WOW! Same goes for Missouri.

Some political analyst could tell us the significance of all this, but it escapes me!
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Post  Angel Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:30 am

Yeah,I was too shocked to even say anything last night.I had a feeling he would win.Now we have to see ,come jan what happens to the country.I only hope no one lets him get away with half of the stuff he wants to do,I trully beliebe it would not work out well.There is a true difference between dreaming something up,talking about it and applying it to real life with all the current factors not taken into account.Anyway,we'll see.Personally I am really dissapointed
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Post  24Penguins Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:49 am

well, i dont have a hard time believing obama won, i knew that was coming. the only think i have a hard time believing is that NC was so close!! haha, i mean just the way people feel in my area anyways i thought we would be the one and only republican state... but i guess thats just the area i live in, and not the rest of the state.
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Post  Lily*Blossom Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:04 am

God help us all. This is disaster in the making, mark my words. Did I call it or did I call it? Electoral votes saved his butt.

Be prepared for the job market to go belly up with the higher taxes Obama will impose on higher earners.

Be prepared for bankruptcy because of the socialist healthcare system coming our way.

It may not happen over night, but I believe that Obama, along with the democratic Senate will singlehandedly change America into what we once ran away from. Socialism.

If I am wrong, the I will put my hands up and admit it whole heartedly. But I am truly afraid for this county's future. There's going to be a lot to clean up when Obaa's done, even more so than right now.
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Post  dolly's momma Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:11 am

I am just very thankful the senate did not get the democratic majority they were gloating in advance over. At least there will be some checks on their agendas. It could have been much worse. I certainly do not want or need the government sticking their nose any further into my life telling me how to live it than they already do, and taking more of my money to fund more programs to do so because they feel I am too stupid to think for myself.

I have a feeling people like that woman who said after Obama won she would no longer have to worry about paying her mortgage or for gas for her car are in for a rude awakening.

A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.
By the way P.L.B. - that line scares the crap out of me.


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Post  Lily*Blossom Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:33 am

I agree DM. I too am grateful that there will be at least some checks and balances in the senate. However, a few of the republican senate members are way too liberal for me.

I am very worried about what this will mean for America. If Obama manages to prove me wrong, as I said, I will hold my hands up and say whole heartedly that I was wrong.

DM people like the woman who think they won't have to worry about their mortgage or for paying for gas are in for a HUGE reality check. I really think people have it in their heads that Obama is gonna just be a saving grace for this country, that all of our problems will just wash away, and they wont! They simply will not. Change Change Change Change. Let's hope it ends up being the sort of change that America needs. More government regulation is not the answer. As I have stated before, people respond to incentives, not to rules.
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Post  Lily*Blossom Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:45 am

One of my favorite people (Glenn Beck) said this today, and I completely agree. It's a real eye opener.

"I don't know, here's what I'd like. How about some policies that I agree with. That's all I want. That's all I want, you know? I'm not going to -- I'm not going to elect people based on, hey, look, hey, they taught people how to be, how to behave. He hasn't taught people how to behave. What is he teaching in ACORN? What is he teaching in his own party? You want to talk to people and tell them how to behave? Stand up! Stand up, Barack Obama, and demand that Charlie Rangel excuses himself and gets the hell out of congress. Here's a guy who was in charge of the ways and means committee. He writes the damn tax code, and nobody's asking for his resignation. Nobody's asking. A man who has written the tax code and he has falsified his own taxes. I'd go to jail for that. You want to teach people how to be and behave? Start with your own damn party. You want to talk about love and compassion, start with your own damn family. Don't take money from me and give it to ACORN! Don't take money from me and give it to somebody else that can't get the frickin' order right at McDonald's! I will give my money. But see, Barack Obama doesn't understand that because he gives less than 5% of his income. He's a millionaire. He gives less than 5% of his income to charity. Before he ran for Senate, he gave zero of his money to charity. Joe Biden gave less than 1%. They have been slowly bringing it up. Wow, and they've made it all the way to 5%. We find out today that Barack Obama's lost uncle has been found. He's just been evicted. We find out today that his lost aunt, she's been found. She lives in the slums. The man is a millionaire. You care so much about your family? Charity starts at home.

But Michelle Obama is exactly right when she -- she has never spoken a truer word, never, when she says Barack Obama will never let you go back to the life you've led. He will force you to be involved. Not a truer word has been said. It has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with hatred. It has everything to do with a love and a passion for our Constitution, our founding documents.

All of the things that Barack Obama is proposing are the things that were proposed during the Great Depression. They are the things that came out of the mouth of Woodrow Wilson. They are the things that people have been trying to do to this country for 100 years. This is the progressive moment, and people who listen to talk radio understand what that means. The rest of the country has no idea what that means. They have no idea what the roots are. They have no idea that one of the leaders of the progressive movement, H. G. Wells, said you have a right to a job, you have a responsibility to work and if you do not work, the state has a right and a responsibility to humanely kill you.

You may not think -- you say this never happen -- this has happened the world over. Read history. Read history. People become complacent, they become -- first they're poor. First they're humble. They put God in their life and they rise up and they remain humble. Then they gain freedom. And then they become apathetic. As they become richer and richer and richer. And then they forget the things that got them there. And then they become not just apathetic. They become dependent on people to take care of them. And they take for granted what they have and then they forget their God. And then they crash and they become slaves again. You think it can't happen to America? Show me the example. Make your case. Please, make your case. Why are we different from every single society that has ever been formed on planet Earth? We are not different. We are humans. What made us different was an understanding of our Constitution. What made us different was the warnings of our founding fathers, an informed republic, an informed people, an active people. A people that had the power closest to them would not reliant on a federal government.

How many -- look, I know that a lot of people are hurting in America. I get it. I know that people are hurting. I told you yesterday 15 houses are for sale on my own street, 15. There is misery in my own neighborhood. I watch my bishop at church look out at his congregation. He broke out in tears two times. He knows. I can see the stress on him. I can see the fact that he is looking at people saying, "My gosh, people are just being destroyed, they are being completely wiped out." What's happening in my commune, because I live in a Wall Street community, is coming to the rest of America. I get that. But we've never, ever been people who said, "So where's the government? Why won't they take care of me?" We tighten our belt. We square our shoulders. We take care of it. We don't sign our power over to people. We don't become slaves to them. And that's what this government is moving towards: You will do it their way. You will be forced to leave your old habits. You will be forced. You will never go back to the way you've lived. Well, you know what, Michelle Obama? If I want to frickin' unplug, I'm going to unplug. You don't have to save me.

We should stop saving the people who have unplugged. That's what's gotten us here. The people who are plugged in, the people who are working hard, the people who are busting their butt every day, the people who are trying to take care of their family and two jobs and their house and trying to put food on their table pay attention to the people who are working hard, pay attention to the people who don't want a handout. They just want a fair deal. They just, they don't want a new deal. They want a fair deal. They want to know that if I'm doing my job and that person's not, that person can be fired! But not in the Barack Obama world. Not in the new coming world of the unions and the new progressivism. No, no, no. No, no. They will let you know who you can fire. They will let you know what's acceptable. They will let you know what's okay. They will let you know, do as I say, not as I do. "Oh, forget about Charlie Rangel. What have you been doing? Have you been successful? Have you done it the right way? Well, why aren't you giving more. Gee, why do you hate people that are different." Read The Forgotten Man. It's all happened before."
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Post  kellybean Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:48 am

I think that people really need to give him a shot.
I don't think the economy is going to go "belly up" any more than it already has.
I do tho fear for this man's life and hope he even makes it to the swearing in ceramony with out some racial KKK Clan taking his life.

I think the most interesting part is when the narrow each state down to the county and you can see which way the county voted.

I saw the concession speach, very graceful....but missed the acceptance speech...I was spent...wish I would have taped it.
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Post  dolly's momma Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:59 am

I am sure you can catch both speeches online. I haven't seen either one yet.

For the last eight years the democratic party has whipped up division and anger and disrespect for the officeof the president.

I hope those actions don't come home to roost and prove your fears accurate.
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Post  kellybean Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:00 am

Sure, you can ask.

I'm not politically driven. I have ZERO interest in the matter...county, state or nationwide. I don't want to spend my time researching each candidate, then re-researching each candidate b/c the otherone makes false statements. If there were a CLEAN election (no such thing) without the dirty finger-pointing in each direction then I would consider it. I think they make false hopes for Americans and then can't live up to their proposals and promises that they made to get into office, once their in...all that goes to the wayside.

I'd rather not have to stress and worry if I made the right choice or not, I have enough gray hair w/out having the stress of my vote to add to it.

I say if your into politics and interested in it have the time to invest in it....great. Be my guest...vote. But, if you are going to cast a vote, please do your research and re-research...we don't need votes for silly things like....just b/c he's black, or just b/c their from Alaska, or b/c well, she looks like a good mom. If your going to vote, stand all the way behind your candidate. And this I cannot do.
I just don't have the interest.
Maybe that will change with age? Or the candidates? Or the whole presentation of the campaign? But for now...nah, no thanks.

And just to add another point...I may like one or a few things that a candidate wants to do, or believes in...but then the other things I don't agree with and throws it all out the window for me.

And I understand that people such as Ralph Nader don't make each ticket, but there are independents to choose or the Green Party ...if I remember correctly.

Does this choice make me anyless of an American?


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Post  Angel Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:15 am

Sorry it's long!

Well,here is what I think.I have lived in a socialist country (the UK) I am from there and I have also lived in France which I think is (or was when Chirac was in power) the 'middle ground" on MOST subjects,country. I have now experienced first hand these three things and here is why I think IF Obama succeeds in the Sharing of the wealth and everythign else he is talking about,the country will (as Tiff sais) become socialist and I can tell you all first hand what that means from sevral standpoints.

Obamas' proposal
The problem; (Expensive unaffordable healthcare,uninsured Americans)

Free/nationalised healthcare = POOR healthcare,in the UK,the NHS (national healthcare system) is atrocious,some English people disagree,perhaps because they have never known anything else.I have.I have lived in France where healthcare is not FREE but it IS cheaper,none the less you do have to contribute to it whihc makes for a good standard of care but it won't break your bank.It's a middle ground which I like.In the UK,the Free healthcare,is not only and has been for ages,killing the economy,some people hardly use it,others have such GREAT nees that the costs of their care are astronomical to the government who in turn raise the taxes on the UK citizens.

To give the US people an idea of the healthcare system in the UK,a 70 year old lady may be in terrible pain and need a hip replacement,she can wait up to 4 years for one,such as my grandmother did,and THEN by that time,she needed the other one doing and had to wait another 2 years for that.You go into the ER (A&E for the uk people) and you can wait anything from an hour to 5 hours to be seen doesnt matter how much pain your in,or where your are bleeding from,people often die int he waiting rooms because they go unseen. Doctors and nurses have NO incentive to work for the hospitals/practices in the UK,the money is minimum wage (because it's government run) consequently there is a HUGE amount of nurses/doctors who transfer to Australia or somewhere else direclty from school because they do not have any hope of having a career in the UK.IN turn this means a huge shortage or nurses and doctors in the UK whihc is part of the reason people wait SO long to be seen.The government also tries to save money so equipment is not cutting edge,up to date even and materials are used as sparesley as possible in order to save money.Also the hospital cleaning contracts were changed sevral years ago (again to save costs) and this was said to be one of the main reasons for the outbreak and continuing issue of the sanitary issues and the MRSA bugs,things got sloppy and people didn't care. The health care in the UK is a disgrace to me.I would rather opperate on my own arm than go into a UK hospital.THAT is what happens when healthcare becomes free...

What "I" Think is a good idea,what I have seen work.

In France,Even if you are not born there,you are required to register and have the equivilent of a Social security number /national insurance number. This is something you pay for when you work for a year or more in FRance (this is at least how it was when I lieved there a couple of years ago,forgive me if it has changed since).

When I arrived,I went and got a job,part of my paycheck went to taxes (like all countries) and another (small I might add) part of it (say 30 euros/about 50 dollars ,maybe 25 GBpounds,) went to your 'healthcare' or cotisations as they called it. For this small amount,you were covered for 75% of your doctors visits,medication/pharmacy costs and IF ever you were hospitalised in an emergency you were 100% covered.ALSO if you had a terminal illness,you were 100% covered,this was of GREAT use to my stepfather when it was discovered that he had malignant melanoma.ALL his treatments were covered,all his medication everything.IF he would have had to pay ,it would have been around 25,000 euros.This brings me to my NEXT point,in the states,this figure would have been a LOT more.I was astounded that people can charge SO much.In france,if you are uninsured you have to pay,but not NEARLY as much.I took my son to the ER when we were over to visit.I no longr had my card as I was not a resident or tax paying member of the country anymore.SO I had to pay cash for our emergency visit with the Pediatrician,stomache xrays,and some medication.The total costs came to 150 euros (NOT much) the service was clean and wonderful! I have NO issue with paying for this even uninsured it won't KILL you to do this.

FOr the other 25% that is NOT otherwise covered by the cotisations that you pay into,you must have what they call 'top up insurance".I had this for myself and my son,I had my car covered,our health and liability insurance (in case you injure someone or some one else injurs you) and my house insured.For this I paid 70 euros a month.Of course this was basic but you could get more coverage if you wanted/could afford but still it would be on par with what you earned. This way,you have great health care,for an opperation,I was amazed at the quickness.Your blood test results are avaiable usually the next day routinely.In the UK you can wait up to 6 weeks,for more urgent ones you can get them within a week,but sometimes a week is not quick enough right? My elderly neighbours in France,needed a knee replacement,within a week,it was schedualed and he was in there having it done.A HUGE contrast to the above situaiton I gave in the UK example.

I am all for 'free' stuff but free isn't really free when you have to pay for it in other ways.I think the French had it at LEAST partly right.There has to be a middle ground.Sure,charge people for health care sepearelty from taxes,so that they dont have a choice but provide them with great health care,dont' give people free BAD health care that they must wait months for and then over tax them because the government has to pay for it and cant.It's a mess in the UK and the US in this area.I think that France has a great system in place,I hope it hasnt changed and I WISH people would just take heed.It doesnt have to be to the extreme on each end.I dislike 'leeches' or people who get really happy about stuff being free and thinking that they should be entitled to moeny wherever it comes from.Even if it's someone elses hard eared money.

So thats the biggest Issue that to my understandinf will happen here.Another is the economy and the shared wealth.Personally right now,I am a SAHM unitl my work permit comes through.I WAN T to make something of mysef and I will as well as being amother,I am plannign a home business with my craft thingy.I don't expect it to make millions,but I do want it to be successful,this will be ALL me and I will have started it by myself and put money into that I have earnt from childminding or whatever I can do whilst taking care of my kids. I will be upset if I have to pay taxes on MY profit,my time,and my investemtns to give to some people who feel they deserve it for whatever reason.Don't get me wrong,I DO think more should be done to help disabled or mentally handicapped people/children.

I also think that this 'free' education thing is not a bad idea.I know a lot of people disagree with this and the whole "why should MY tax money pay for XXX to go to college?" What I think is,once again,there should be a middle ground here.I think if certain people don't have help or the oppertunity to go to college then they will never be able to better themselves officially and get a dergee or whatever they need to advance make something of themselves and therfore,no one will get anywhere.Everyone SHOULD have the opperunity to go to college ,except the prinsoners on death row,this I AM baffled by,but thats another subject.

Anyway,The thing I think would be good is,if someone wants to go to college to get a degree/ebtter thenselves and need financial help,they should be able to ,however,they should have a certain amount of time to complete this (within reason) and it should be made so that they can have a job to suppot themsleves and fit in college/tutition around it) I do not agree with paying for the to live and go to school.When I was 16,I went to school all day in the week and the at night I worked as a cleaner to pay for my bills,I lived in a shared house.It sucked and I was broke,but if you REALLY want to do something then you will fight for it and do it.I think if things are made too easy,people become complacent and expectant. Now that is ALREADY a huge improvement on having to work AND getting our a huge loan to go to school that you spend 20 years trying to pay back. IMO...Anyway,little things like that I think that HELP people but don't just hand it to them.

The third big Issue I see is the war in Iraque and the withdrawl of the troops.I must say I do not know what to think of this,I personally would not have wanted to be involved in the first place.Hubby has many view about this and how withdrwing them now would allow Iran to come in and take over and maybe start a nuclear war.I have thought long and hard and listened to many views here.I really honestly can't say I am educated enough to know what to think or say so on this subject I wont. We'll see,I only hope it's good!

As for the rest ,the other policies,fire arms being legal but registered,I agree,if you own a fire arm,it should be registered,this way if you are a murderer you can be caught.If you are a hunter or just wanting to deffend yourself then it shouldnt change anything.If you are an honest person,you don'y have anything to worry about do you.I beleieve that orriginally it was siad that he wanted to make them all illegal,last I heard he just wanted them registered? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I just wish life wasn't so complicated and that people could be trusted enough to run their own lives,earn there own money and EVERYONE each put a litte into the economy to pay for the things we all enjoy and benifit from such as public roads,some schools,a police force military etc... but it does not nEED to be 40% of our earnings.Its just NOT neccessary. IMO.

Here's a quick and small example of a possible solution.EVERYONE should pay taxes if they live here because everyone uses the services.But I also think everyone should be allowed to keep the majority of what they earn.

Lets say,everyone earned minimun wage ,if you had to pay $75 for federal taxes, $50 for state taxes (services IN your states,roads,schools,police force and $15 per month for your private healthcare fund a month. If every single american paid this amount,it would all add up to, 45,836,461.00 dollars. Now the country makes money from other things as well,such as corporate tax,independant earnings,and taxes on things like food and cigarettes and other purchases. If the hospitals/doctors lowered their costs and the insurance companies lowered theri prices some,things wouldn't be SO expensive,people could afford insurance and medical bills.if people can affordmedical bills,and or insurance then the government wont have to step in to keep bailing out those who cant pay.which it ultmaelty does.Giving people independance means setting realistic goals and making things reachable,giving them incentives NOT bailing them out,giving the 'poor' people tax breaks and the 'higher earners' increased taxes.Not only is it not fair,it cuts out middle class entirely and make for 2 classes; Extemely rich and extemrely poor.

There are sensible solutions to every problem.I am not saying that what I suggested is the right one neccessarily.I will hands up admit that i am AWFUL with maths and that I am probably not taking into account a lot of things,but iF the poorest person could pay the above and then the more you earned sure,you pay a little more but not a HUGE amount more.The government makes ENOUGH money on taxes,its how they spend it that messes everthing up...

Anyway,I just wanted to add my 2 cents and share a little how it is elsewhere.I trully hope that Obama can fix things and that eveyone who believs in him are right.

I hope I have not offended anyone with my views here today!

Now,those who didn't vote for Obama,I suppose there is not point complaining,lets just hope for the best and see what will happen.


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Post  BethG Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:24 am

Ginny, that map isn't quite right!

kellybean, no it doesnt' make you less American. We have the right to vote, which also means we can choose not to exercise that right. But our country was founded on giving people a voice, and we choose the people to represent us to the government, to be our voice. So I feel we should make that choice about our representatives.
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Post  Ginny Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:34 am

BethG wrote:Ginny, that map isn't quite right!

Yeah, I know Beth! It was the closest one i could find this morning before I had to go to work. All the rest where not pictures, but Flash movies...

The main point is TN voted Conservative and I am proud of my state. Wink
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Post  Lou Lou Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:18 pm

KB - I don't think it makes you less of an American at all!
That's what makes America so great!

Thanks for answering my question!

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Post  Angel Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:34 pm

I merged two threads BTW guys,so if you go back a page you might find some more interesting views/quotes n things that are not to be overlooked!
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Post  dolly's momma Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:04 am

Kellybean - Of course you are an American. We need your tax dollars now more than ever (kidding). I would much rather, feeling like you do, that you don't vote. That makes me 1000 times happier than someone just believing the hype and not finding out where they stand and casting an uninformed vote. We all have the freedom of choice to vote or not vote. But if you do make sure you do your duty. It took me three days to sort through all the propaganda surrounding just the propositions we had to vote on.

I have made the decision today to let it go. I was ranting this morning, and my husband told me I was nasty. Of course I got mad at him, and he hurt my feelings, and he apologized later. But then I got to thinking about it and he was right. That is not me, and that is not the way I act.

I was so busy trying to think up derogatory nicknames for my other bb where things can get ugly, and vowing to make vitrol filled comments about every move Obama makes to dish the same treatment back they had given me that I forgot something. I hated how those people have acted for the last five or six years. It made me soo angry that they were being disrespectful to the office of the president, and blaming the man for everything under the sun whether he was the cause or could not possibly be responsible. I was amused when they slung it at each other as Obama and Clinton battled it out. And then they immediately projected that hate onto McCain and Palin. (I think dissenting conversatin is a good thing, but this was ugly and bitter). And I decided I am above that. I may not be happy, and I may think the man is not going to deliver the goods but I am not going to sink to their level.

So thats it. I am going to try to give the man a chance, and pray that he becomes the leader this country needs. And if he doesn't I am just going to have to trust the it is God's plan for us and pray we make it thru to whatever he has waiting on the other side of the ordeal.

Of course I think I am going to just stay quiet on the topic for a little while because even though I have good intentions it is really hard for me to let go of some of those feelings. I tend to not get mad, but to get mad AND even. lol.
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Post  sparkles Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:41 am

can i ask a question about the map of voting, it looks to be like mcCain won more states?? i thought it was a landslide??? or does it purely go on the AMOUNT of votes??
also why are a couple of states purple, were they the ones not yet counted??
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Post  mscherry42 Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:45 am

Sparkles,
It's the electoral votes that each state owns, that matters, in the end. Which means, The candidate must first win at least 51% of the people's vote within the state, then once he's done that, then however many electoral votes that state has(i.e Idaho has 4, California had, I think like 55) the candidate gets those. Those go toward the 270 that he needs to win President. So, it is possible that McCain might have won in more states(I don't know those numbers), but not have won the "key" states in order to win the presidency. As for the purple colored states, I wondered that too, maybe, they're grey, as in those states hadn't reported yet, I don't know.

That's the part that I don't get about people. Politicians talk about like dirty trash because that's what they're "suppose" to do. It's part of the propaganda and mudslinging. Is it right, nope. But we as get so caught up in it, we start doing it too, and forget that most of it is hyped up exaggerated mugslinging votegetting dirt. I'm so glad that I am able to leave the dirty electioning behind and actually give each president a chance to do right by me. I tried with Bush TWICE, and he let me down TWICE. I just hope that some of the people who's comments I've read here and on other blogs will at least give the man a chance, and not walk around waiting and hoping for him to fall on his face. And on the flip side of that, for his supporters, he is JUST A MAN, NOT GOD. God has said, put your trust in no man. Obama will make mistakes. I know this, and am prepared for some of his choices to leave me scratching my head. But I trust that God has placed this man here to grant us a brief reprieve from the craziness which the world is sinking to, and will continue to move toward.
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Post  Lou Lou Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:20 am

can I just say how refreshing it is to be able to post what you believe and feel without 100 people jumping down your throat?!
I just want you all to know that I really RESPECT every opinion - even the ones that I may disagree with.

Dolly's Momma - I was thinking the same thing last night! I was pouting all day yesterday and then I thought "snap out of it!!!". Thanks for your post!

I thing we all need to start supporting Obama. He's going to need the full support of the country over the next 4 years.

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Post  mscherry42 Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:31 am

Lou Lou,
I know, right. I wanted to read what some people were saying about the "post election" stuff. And OMG, it was horrible. People were being called stupid and other such despicable names just for having an opinion. I'm glad we're so mature, and awesome, and every coolhead, and and oh, I can't think of anymore great adjectives for us at the moment. Grouphug
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Post  Angel Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:32 am

I agree,I think most of the dissapointment stems from a fear of the unknown or that Obama might not do a good job,or worse mess things up.To be fair,anyone could mess it up.At first I was dissapointed,but then I thought,well,lets see what he can do.I was watching a talk show last night and the guy (sorry I cant remember his name )said of the dissapointed/angry people who voted for Mccain,will transfer their loyalyties come jan.True americans,see that in the constitution,we must follow the president and that he is our leader whatever happens for this time,he has the interests of the country and the protection of the people at heart,weather all his policies are right or agreed with is another matter.But I agree,lets give him a chance,he is there now and lets support and hope (as you did (I say you coz I wasnt here) for bush) that he can do a good job overall,remember that he IS only a man and that he will surely make mistakes and that whoever is president cannot please everyone.

I hope that he is true to his word in that he wants to help this place,however that may be and that ultimately and in general it benifuts as many americans as possible.One thing he said in his acceptance speech that I pray will come true is "the walls between races will crumble"God I hope so,lets spread the love no more hatred ( I know I sound like a hippy but I wish this wasnt an issue from any side.
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Post  Ginny Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:28 am

I was just wondering if any of you watched South Park last night? I don't normally watch it anymore - it is INCREDIBLY politically INCORRECT, but to me, that's why it is funny a lot of times! Last night it was about the election - it was making fun of both sides actually! The Obama supporters of South Park were in the streets drinking and celebrating and yelling about change while the McCain supporters were trying to kill themselves and were hiding in an underground bunker with their shotguns Wink It had Obama, McCain, Michelle Obama, and Sarah Palin working together to steal the Hope Diamond. It was just insane! Wink But, of course, South Park can NEVER leave it at that...I think they went tooooo far when they had one little scene that had Obama's grandmother talking on the phone saying that she faked her death Monday. I was not an Obama supporter, but I thought that was out of line...but of course, like i said - what else would we have seen on South Park! They ALWAYS have to do something that is just REALLY bad...like when Steve Irwin died and it was a Halloween episode (I think) and someone was dressed up as Steve Irwin...WITH the Stingray in his chest!! That was right after it happened too.

But anyway, I was just curious if anyone had seen it Wink Or am I the only one that watched such a BAAADDDD show? it's like you know its awful and you keep saying "No way!!!" But you can't turn away from it Smile/happy
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